14:03:31 From Sally Caldrone : Hi Laura! Will we have access to your slides? 14:03:51 From Sally Caldrone : after the presentation? 14:03:53 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : Hi Regina. 14:04:16 From Regina Burgess : @Sally, Laura usually shares her slides and I'll post them on our website with the webinar recording. 14:04:34 From Sally Caldrone : Thank you! 14:04:40 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : Cool.. 14:05:11 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : Hi, Regina - this is Alicia in Tampa (Hillsborough Community College). Thanks. 14:05:38 From Regina Burgess to Alicia Ellison and all panelists : Hi Alicia! 14:06:26 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : That is true... 14:10:38 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : Sorry I missed the part about "carousels" and that people may not necessarily like them - expand on that again please? Thanks. 14:13:38 From Emma Massaglia : Satisficing! 14:14:21 From Emma Massaglia : I read the book "Don't Make Me Tink!" by Steve Krug, that you recommended in another webinar years ago! Fantastic book, thank you! 14:14:30 From Emma Massaglia : Think* 14:14:36 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : Interesting.... 14:19:32 From Alicia Ellison : Since the advent of mobile they do scroll 14:19:48 From Alicia Ellison : The age of desktop PCs....that was the era of "no scrolling" 14:19:59 From Iris Velasquez to All panelists : I feel like that's what people mostly do, is scroll 14:21:04 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : Above the fold! Old newspaper term. Love my journalism classes! 14:21:50 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : oh yeah 14:22:33 From Emma Massaglia : I would argue that google has helped people get to exactly the webpage they need. 14:23:30 From Iris Velasquez to All panelists : But don't a lot of those sites take you to the homepage when you try to go to one of their specific pages? Does that make sense? 14:23:43 From Jules Bailey : We used to tell people at my college to take students through the college homepage to go to the library, I started telling them to google TCC Library because I know that's what they'll do anyway 14:24:05 From Alicia Ellison : I do the same thing. 14:25:39 From Alicia Ellison : yes I do 14:25:47 From Judie Cooper : The ring of the web back in the 9-s 14:25:51 From Judie Cooper : 90s 14:25:51 From Alicia Ellison : (remember Yahoo index) 14:26:56 From Laura Solomon : home >> about us >> history of the library 14:28:14 From Emma Massaglia : Design should be **recognizable**- especially for the lay public. 14:28:59 From Emma Massaglia : Awww thanks!! Sorry, I keep sniping your teaching! 14:29:28 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : Like a tv ad, you have to see something new three times before the message sinks in. 14:30:03 From Lisa Blue : Is there not a happy medium where they work for both patron and staff? 14:30:59 From Alicia Ellison : Do you know offhand of some examples of brutalist-design web sites? 14:31:12 From Alicia Ellison : :-) 14:32:35 From Jules Bailey : I'm looking them up on Google images and I don't know how accurate these are as brutalist sites, but I'm having a good time 14:33:10 From Jules Bailey : https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/009-Brutalist-Websites.png 14:33:15 From Jules Bailey : This is my favorite 14:33:40 From Iris Velasquez to All panelists : Honestly, if the mobile app doesn't have full functionality, then there really isn't a point to have one 14:35:26 From Iris Velasquez to All panelists : Very true, but, I believe the stories are ranked according to their importance, per se 14:35:32 From Iris Velasquez to All panelists : I could be wrong, though 14:36:53 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : Students will not scroll on PCs....so I guess the trick is to design with mobile in mind? And put some teaser stuff above fold? 14:37:41 From Iris Velasquez to All panelists : What about logos? We have a specific look so that when people see it, they know it is our library 14:38:03 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : HAHAHA 14:38:55 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : So a decorative thing doesn't provide "rest" for the eyes huh 14:39:35 From Judie Cooper : They either run to slow or too fast and are annoying 14:39:44 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : an automatic slide show right? 14:39:46 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : We call them a "river". 14:40:10 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : automatic slide shows... Oops, you beat me to it... 14:40:32 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : Can we see some examples of sites you've done (that you really like)? 14:41:32 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : LOL :-) 14:41:58 From Jules Bailey : The only ones I've seen that I kind of like are just picture slideshows in the background 14:42:12 From Emma Massaglia : Our carousel generates no click traffic- but the image that doesn't change on our catalog (that doesn't read like an ad) more/some click traffic 14:43:11 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : "they save real estate" 14:45:09 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : That would be ok for an artist showing off her portfolio, maybe? 14:45:38 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : but not for a library 14:46:18 From Sally Caldrone : Reminds me of the old moving icons and characters on websites. Ugh. was never a good idea. 14:47:32 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : and rest for the eyes/cognitive load, right? 14:48:00 From Iris Velasquez : It's been imprinted in my brain that if there is white space, it looks bad, and needs to be filled, but sometimes, I think it doesn't look bad, but rather, looks clean 14:49:15 From Emma Massaglia : white space can help guide your user's eye to the most important information on a page (sorry for delay) 14:49:36 From Olivia Shaff : I agree, I waver back and forth between liking white space and hating how it looks. But white space does looks nicer. 14:51:08 From Alicia Ellison to All panelists : also bad accessibility practice, no? 14:51:34 From Jules Bailey : I'm surprised that opening in a new tab is bad, it drives me nuts when sites don't do that 14:51:46 From Emma Massaglia : Your users are more likely to just back-click to get back to where they were, and they can't back-click on a new window. 14:52:26 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : That's true Emma. 14:53:35 From Sabrina Sturdivant : creates confusion to some patrons 14:54:06 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : ADA invades website design! 14:56:49 From Olivia Shaff : Yes, I hate having to figure out which option is the one I need when searching different websites. 14:56:55 From Lisa Blue : Do you have a website in mind that you think is a good example of design mythbusting? 14:59:04 From Demilade Haastrup : As a newbie in web dev; this is VERY helpful! :) 14:59:18 From Matthew Bendet to All panelists : What if one could use a template most people have used, like amazon? 14:59:21 From Alicia Ellison : I agree! 15:00:41 From Emma Massaglia : Many websites for major box companies (Home Depot, Target, tec.) are using research to inform their design- they are better at design mythbusting than most websites, because they have $$$ to spend to track user habits. 15:00:49 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : I like mean Laura. 15:00:59 From Gavin Harvey to All panelists : I'm a newbie in web dev too, very helpful... 15:01:36 From Emma Massaglia : Of course, they are trying to gain business, it's about money instaed of information lol 15:02:01 From Alicia Ellison : you have busted myths perpetrated in part by wysiwygs for library web pages that include a lot of gizmos like carousels (I didn't know they were called this ) - they appeal to geeky/nerdy librarians 15:03:19 From Demilade Haastrup : We use Drupal as well at PBC Library! 15:03:33 From Emma Massaglia : Oh my library is guilty of many! 15:03:34 From Alicia Ellison : I confess!! 15:03:39 From Regina Burgess : We got rid of our carousel this year. 15:03:56 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : My county is guilty! 15:04:16 From Demilade Haastrup : Me! I'm going on 2 years as a web specialist! 15:04:38 From Alicia Ellison : Thanks so much for the tough love :-) 15:04:43 From Iris Velasquez : Thank you so much! Stay safe, everyone! 15:04:44 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : Can't wait for the slides and recording so I can take better notes instead of listening. 15:04:46 From Selina Walker to All panelists : thank you 15:04:49 From Demilade Haastrup : Thank you so much, Laura! :) 15:04:53 From Sally Caldrone : Thanks Laura! Always useful, interesting, and helpful! Be safe to all! 15:04:54 From Olivia Shaff : Thank you, it was very informative. :) 15:04:54 From Alicia Ellison : Be well. 15:04:56 From Emma Massaglia : Thanks, Laura! Saty safe :) 15:05:02 From Emma Massaglia : stay* 15:05:02 From Matthew Bendet to All panelists : stay safe 15:05:03 From Daniel Sullivan : thank you 15:05:04 From Judie Cooper : Thank you! 15:05:08 From Alicia Ellison : Thanks Regina! 15:05:13 From Marian Griffin to All panelists : Wash your hands.